Comments on: It’s Free And Killing Business Everywhere http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/ Because Men Need Entertainment Sun, 06 Mar 2011 01:50:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Melissa http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-161 Melissa Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:39:07 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-161 According to Keynes he says basically the same thing you said. That we need to spend money in order to get out of the recession we are in. I had to do a project on him for HR thats the only reason i know that..lol..but good job Justin yay :) According to Keynes he says basically the same thing you said. That we need to spend money in order to get out of the recession we are in. I had to do a project on him for HR thats the only reason i know that..lol..but good job Justin yay :)

]]> By: J-DOG http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-112 J-DOG Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:31:56 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-112 Alright Nick, let me start by saying sorry. Sorry for writing an opinion about the way I see things around me and the way I perceive them. Where do you get off reading an article with less than 500 views and leaving a completely developed and thought up argumentative, negative comment. <br><br>Firstly, I used my opinion and people that live around ME thats why its a fu@#$%! personal research. <br><br>Secondly I never said bands lose money by touring, I said and I quote myself "which barely covers any cost on what could be a tour" . My room mate is in a band and they cant afford to tour. The Rolling Stones were NEVER mentioned in my article because they have 30000 people paying 300$ per ticket, of course their tours are worthwhile.<br><br>Thirdly thank you for your " team owner who won't let her team's games be shown on television" remark. That decision is entirely up to the team owner's, once again only an opinion.<br><br>Listen I don't mind different opinions, even on my posts, but keep your negative blatant disrespectful attitude out of our blog. Alright Nick, let me start by saying sorry. Sorry for writing an opinion about the way I see things around me and the way I perceive them. Where do you get off reading an article with less than 500 views and leaving a completely developed and thought up argumentative, negative comment.

Firstly, I used my opinion and people that live around ME thats why its a fu@#$%! personal research.

Secondly I never said bands lose money by touring, I said and I quote myself “which barely covers any cost on what could be a tour” . My room mate is in a band and they cant afford to tour. The Rolling Stones were NEVER mentioned in my article because they have 30000 people paying 300$ per ticket, of course their tours are worthwhile.

Thirdly thank you for your ” team owner who won't let her team's games be shown on television” remark. That decision is entirely up to the team owner's, once again only an opinion.

Listen I don't mind different opinions, even on my posts, but keep your negative blatant disrespectful attitude out of our blog.

]]> By: Girl http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-111 Girl Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:38:04 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-111 If the film industry can't support 15million dollar starring roles then maybe they should consider not paying 15million? Actors and actresses only make that much because they can. If the film industry can't support 15million dollar starring roles then maybe they should consider not paying 15million? Actors and actresses only make that much because they can.

]]> By: Nick http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-110 Nick Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:36:42 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-110 Wow, this is terrible. I'm going to have to read a book or something to get back those brain cells. Don't worry though, I won't go to a library because, from what I gather from your article, they destroy the publishing industry (never mind, the two peacefully co-existed for centuries).<br><br>Firstly, never say cite "personal research" unless you provide methodology, otherwise you might as well have said "I asked a couple of guys at the bar while we were sitting around drinking."<br><br>Secondly, your music industry analysis is flat wrong. You claim bands lose money by touring. How many bands with slow record sales survive solely on touring? I can think of dozens. The Rolling Stones don't still go on tour because they got a new shipment of Viagra.<br><br>The movie industry shows a complete disregard for the current reality. Thanks to the recession, ticket sales are up in 2009. Now, the many years of decline means that the industry is where it once was, but you have to consider the variety of alternate entertainment sources, plus the widespread use of air-conditioning.<br><br>Your argument reminds me of the athletic team owner who won't let her team's games be shown on television for fear that doing so may hurt sales. There's a reason nearly every team is available on TV in their respective home markets.<br><br>I will leave the auto claims because by the time I reached that part I was flustered and you'd digressed. Wow, this is terrible. I'm going to have to read a book or something to get back those brain cells. Don't worry though, I won't go to a library because, from what I gather from your article, they destroy the publishing industry (never mind, the two peacefully co-existed for centuries).

Firstly, never say cite “personal research” unless you provide methodology, otherwise you might as well have said “I asked a couple of guys at the bar while we were sitting around drinking.”

Secondly, your music industry analysis is flat wrong. You claim bands lose money by touring. How many bands with slow record sales survive solely on touring? I can think of dozens. The Rolling Stones don't still go on tour because they got a new shipment of Viagra.

The movie industry shows a complete disregard for the current reality. Thanks to the recession, ticket sales are up in 2009. Now, the many years of decline means that the industry is where it once was, but you have to consider the variety of alternate entertainment sources, plus the widespread use of air-conditioning.

Your argument reminds me of the athletic team owner who won't let her team's games be shown on television for fear that doing so may hurt sales. There's a reason nearly every team is available on TV in their respective home markets.

I will leave the auto claims because by the time I reached that part I was flustered and you'd digressed.

]]> By: O-D-C http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-105 O-D-C Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:25:08 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-105 Great article Jus! Great article Jus!

]]> By: J-DOG http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-102 J-DOG Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:01:20 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-102 I wasn't debating the fact the music companies make that much money, you are in fact proving my point. No the musicians aren't held at gun point, but its because the big companies wont offer anything good to any new bands, very slim margins are all you'll get. However a brand name band will sign for 10M upfront, if not more. And by the way it isn't all movies that are profitable, the companies always make money, but someone always goes broke in the end if they don't pull a profit. You just don't hear the real sufferer because well, he wasn't paid 10M and can't post an article in a hollywood magazine, the poor broke bastard. I wasn't debating the fact the music companies make that much money, you are in fact proving my point. No the musicians aren't held at gun point, but its because the big companies wont offer anything good to any new bands, very slim margins are all you'll get. However a brand name band will sign for 10M upfront, if not more. And by the way it isn't all movies that are profitable, the companies always make money, but someone always goes broke in the end if they don't pull a profit. You just don't hear the real sufferer because well, he wasn't paid 10M and can't post an article in a hollywood magazine, the poor broke bastard.

]]> By: Slava http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Slava Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:17:13 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-101 If they (movie industry) pays $10M, that means it's profitable. You can call that atrocity or extortion or even yabba-dabba-doo, but it can't change the fact that he/she is getting those $10M, and unless it was profitable for the industry as whole - they'd not be paying it. And as soon as it get's like this (too expensive) - they won't those guys a cent.<br><br>$5 CD is slim-margin profitable? I'd say Warner Music would disagree with you with it's 1 600 000 000 $ (no typo -> 1.6billion) profit in 2008. <a href="http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:WMG" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:WMG</a> Well, they would probably agree, as it says in great "Suckers" movie (about money): " Enough? It's N-E-V-E-R ENOUGH!".<br><br>Economy is ALWAYS fair. It's just that bands are great at making music and boy do they suck in economics, compared to great minds of music labels. That's doesn't mean it's not fair. They both agreed on the deal, nobody held them at gun point when they signed it.<br><br>If you look from the global humanitarian point-of-view, yes, economy is almost never "fair" to regular Joe. But that's the problem that this guy should solve himself. If the bands were better at negotiations, maybe they should sign $10M upfront contracts :) If they (movie industry) pays $10M, that means it's profitable. You can call that atrocity or extortion or even yabba-dabba-doo, but it can't change the fact that he/she is getting those $10M, and unless it was profitable for the industry as whole – they'd not be paying it. And as soon as it get's like this (too expensive) – they won't those guys a cent.

$5 CD is slim-margin profitable? I'd say Warner Music would disagree with you with it's 1 600 000 000 $ (no typo -> 1.6billion) profit in 2008. http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:WMG Well, they would probably agree, as it says in great “Suckers” movie (about money): ” Enough? It's N-E-V-E-R ENOUGH!”.

Economy is ALWAYS fair. It's just that bands are great at making music and boy do they suck in economics, compared to great minds of music labels. That's doesn't mean it's not fair. They both agreed on the deal, nobody held them at gun point when they signed it.

If you look from the global humanitarian point-of-view, yes, economy is almost never “fair” to regular Joe. But that's the problem that this guy should solve himself. If the bands were better at negotiations, maybe they should sign $10M upfront contracts :)

]]> By: J-DOG http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-98 J-DOG Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:57:20 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-98 I understand that it is profitable in some cases as you pointed out, Slava. But I still think 10M for someone to make a movie that can still be sub par is atrocious. I just think some people that deserve some of that money are getting short changed (like the music artists stuck in bad contracts). And I think a 5$ CD is only profitable on a slim margin (because of changing technologies for one) and usually only the music company behind it will really get paid. I doubt the band makes more than 5 or 10% of the end result. I love how the economy works, I just think it isn't always fair. I understand that it is profitable in some cases as you pointed out, Slava. But I still think 10M for someone to make a movie that can still be sub par is atrocious. I just think some people that deserve some of that money are getting short changed (like the music artists stuck in bad contracts). And I think a 5$ CD is only profitable on a slim margin (because of changing technologies for one) and usually only the music company behind it will really get paid. I doubt the band makes more than 5 or 10% of the end result. I love how the economy works, I just think it isn't always fair.

]]> By: Slava http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Slava Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:46:20 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-97 Some artists are praising torrents and things like that, telling it helps sales. Hardcore fans of some music group would buy $100 albums, which is actually easier than selling 100 of $1 copies or even 20 of $5 ones. The industry sells albums for 5$ because it's PROFITABLE now (for that industry, maybe not for the artist, but now thanks to the Internet the artist has a way to directly sell to customers).<br><br>Artists want $10M for a movie. Well, if the movie industry would find it unprofitable, they'll hire actors who want $50K per movie until $10M guys are broke and want reasonable pay. They ask (and get) for $10M because it's PROFITABLE now.<br><br>It's economy, love it or hate, it works. Some artists are praising torrents and things like that, telling it helps sales. Hardcore fans of some music group would buy $100 albums, which is actually easier than selling 100 of $1 copies or even 20 of $5 ones. The industry sells albums for 5$ because it's PROFITABLE now (for that industry, maybe not for the artist, but now thanks to the Internet the artist has a way to directly sell to customers).

Artists want $10M for a movie. Well, if the movie industry would find it unprofitable, they'll hire actors who want $50K per movie until $10M guys are broke and want reasonable pay. They ask (and get) for $10M because it's PROFITABLE now.

It's economy, love it or hate, it works.

]]> By: Gerry http://www.360blog.org/2009/03/its-free-and-killing-business-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-96 Gerry Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:23:25 +0000 http://www.360blog.org/?p=778#comment-96 Wow, I'm speechless. great article! Wow, I'm speechless. great article!

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